A Balanced Human Mindset, Making Good Choices, & Abundant Joyful Living with Aisha Makara | E1304

A Balanced Human Mindset, Making Good Choices, & Abundant Joyful Living with Aisha Makara

David Pasqualone: Hello, friend. Welcome to this week’s episode of The Remarkable People Podcast. Today we have an episode with a young woman who was born in Russia, sent to an orphanage at two. She was raised there, got involved in gangs and some trouble looking for acceptance. Then she started finding out, Ooh, maybe I can get into.

Politics and find structure and leadership and wealth along the way. And then she has an incredible journey where she goes to Norway. Then to America, then back to Norway. She lands in Portugal. But during this time we talked about how we all as humans have ups and downs, but she learned to regulate and balance her life and find joy and how she shares with this today, what you’re about to hear.

So [00:01:00] our friend. Aisha is gonna take her time to share with us about the hardships of life and how, when we have the right mindset and the right perspective. We can have joy and grow as a human and have fellowship together, and we don’t just make the world a better place, but we make our world a better place.

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David Pasqualone: Hey Aisha, how are you today?

Aisha Makara: I’m doing great. I’m here in Lisbon. We have finally good weather. We’ve been like raining for a few weeks, but now it’s again wonderful and great.

David Pasqualone: Beautiful. Yes. I’ve never been to Portugal, but some of my best friends growing up were from there and they said, it’s just an gorgeous country. Now today, I just told our audience from around the world a little bit about you, Aisha, and your story and what you’re gonna share with them today, but right from you, right from the source.

If someone commits to spending a few minutes with us today and hearing your story, what do you guarantee they’re gonna learn? Not just to be motivated by, but to be able to take and apply to their life and have even a better existence?

Aisha Makara: Never give up on [00:03:00] yourself. Always believe in your dreams and always go for it.

I believe like we are the dreamers and and and doers. And I believe like we are here to live our dreams. We are the testament of living dreams that we have achieved through our life. And you know, when you’re dreaming, you started to understand the dreams become goals, and goals become achievements.

It’s up to us to decide the life we wanna live, and it’s up to us the dreams we wanna accomplish through our lifetime.

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David Pasqualone: Aisha. I’m pumped for this episode. It’s something I need, it’s something so many of our listeners need. Let’s go through your history. Everything that happened to you in your life. Good, bad, ugly, pretty, pretty ugly. It made you the Remarkable woman you are today, right?

So, go through your life. What was your upbringing like? Where did you start? And we will just go through chronologically.

Aisha Makara: Where it started. I think it started when my mother, my mother abandoned me and I get to be like independent since then, less than I was about two years old. And then she decided to love me in a orphan house somewhere in Russia, a very little town and in the middle of nowhere.

The point is I learned how to be independent. I learned how to, you know, take care of myself since then, and understood that life is not about, like love and attention. It’s [00:07:00] great to have it through your, you know, through your parents and they’re actually shaping you who you are today. Many people who experience parents in their life, I believe like.

They have the parents helping them to achieve and shape the reality. I didn’t have that in my childhood. So I get to shape myself through my own beliefs that I had that time. And even so when I getting older, a little bit between maybe like three and four, I used to run away all the time from the from the house.

And what happened is, like I’ve been every time delivered back as a little kid and one day I realized like, okay, if I’m gonna like be more hiding here, hiding there, they will still find me and somebody will bring me back. Because somehow the adults knew that who I belonged to. And so I realized if it’s like dark, I never feel like scary [00:08:00] to go and, you know, explore around.

As a kid. I never feel scary explorer, like Nature Explorer, like. Because we live in like a, a area where we had the horses, we had like farms. We had everything around like small farms, like more like one person farms. And I used to go and run around and I was very scary if, like, adults will find me because I’ve been punished every time, like all the time beaten up or put in the corner.

But I still choose to do that. You know, I still choose to run away, play by myself, play with whatever my imaginary friends and sometimes other, you know, other kids I play with. The point is, is like I learn life as a freedom. Life is just like exploration and adventure itself. So when I become a teenager or like, I started to kind of like flow to our, towards my teens years, I had this [00:09:00] urge to be belong or to feel belonging.

So I started to look for the group of people that I feel I wanna belong to. And that time I’ve been already fostered few times. And the second time the parent, like the, my foster parents was not nice. So I was actually running away from the house, but that time nobody cares if I’m in the house, I’m in the shelter or whatever.

So I figuring out nobody cares about me as a human being. And so I started to do more, let’s say ugly things. I started to drink, I started to like, try like cigarettes and different things. So for me. I was rebellious in some ways, but like I always could manage my school. Schools was very easy for me.

So until I become so rebellious, I think it was like I was 14 already. That time I started to fight with a, with everyone, with adults, like really fight, not just like saying words, but also fight physically. [00:10:00] So I was like this rebellious where like I stand up for myself, I express my voice, and every time I express my voice, I was a bit punished and like really, really hard.

And for me from that experience, what I learned, I understood how strong I am and how powerful I am. And and after that, I ended up in not good company or I was already in a not good company. And, you know, and this kind of like, started to be more and more affecting my reality in my school life. So I stopped to go to the school.

I I didn’t go to the school for some time. After like my friends started to die on the different accidents and different things. So I started to face the, this death because I didn’t think that, you know, no, nobody will dying around me. And here I am, like facing the death of my like teammates that I was part of this weird gangster slash weird gang, you [00:11:00] know?

And it’s okay. Like, I don’t, like I, nowadays I don’t judge myself, but when I was a younger, of course I had some issues

So be part of the gang is not easy. The thing is, is like you don’t know as a kid, you don’t know.

You’re figuring out you’re in your own. In this case, I get to figuring out in my own, through the experience that I went through and when I started to face the death of my friends who was like 16, 17, and they were dying for me, it was a period moment. I was like, I don’t know if I will be surviving until 18, and I was like, I gotta live my dreams.

I gotta come back to the school. I gotta finish all the things I want to finish. And that what I started to do, I get out of the gang. It, it took me extra time to do that, but I cut it completely. I’ve been a complete loner at my school because all my, whatever my school mates and like turned their backs.

Nobody wants to be my friends. And and I [00:12:00] was okay with that. I remember I was sitting in the last row of the, on the, on the school bench and I was like, okay, it’s all good. I gotta get through this. But the things is, because of that rebellious time I was fighting with the teachers, you know, I was doing a lot of like not good things.

It’s kind of affecting later my reality because I wanna be a journalist and the teachers didn’t help me with that. Nobody want to help me to kind of like live my dreams in the end. So I said, okay, I’m going to figuring out my, in my own. So first I moved to study. Law school, well, like a little bit. And after I changed to the engineering, because I couldn’t get into the journalism journalist school because in Russia what’s happening is when you don’t get enough score and your language skills and the history, so you cannot get into the next steps of the university, you get to kind of like catch up and do the extra exams or do the extra year, whatever.

And I didn’t want to do that. I said like, I cannot do [00:13:00] extra year in this place. So I just get the figuring out that’s what I did. And I started to study engineering. And still I’ve been hyperactive in the community. You know, I was doing forums, events that time, like doing a lot of things again, like leader of the my university class and doing a lot of amazing things.

That moment of my life, what I learned through that experience, by me being me, continue to show up, continue to share who I am the way I am, it helps me to create a new reality for myself. So I realized by traveling around Russia, that time I started hitchhike when I was 15 I 16 around Russia and Central Asia.

And I figuring out that I get to move to the Moscow not living where I’m living in the city where about like 500,000 people or 600,000 people even. So it was a big city where I was study engineering. I decided like I get to somehow move to Moscow, but this [00:14:00] thing is, I did know anyone in Moscow. I was like, I’m going to move.

I don’t have anyone there. And so I was continued doing what I get to do. University sent me to this summer camp for the old uni, like all students from around Russia. So I went to the summer camp. I just share my you know, with all the leaders there, with all the teachers, with all the professors.

I was there. I wanna move to Moscow. I wanna study in Moscow. This is what I have done, this is what I doing. You know, I presented a project from my region, so they transfer me in two months or something like that than that summer. I’ve been transferred to Moscow as one of the students and be, you know, have my quote or whatever.

That’s like I got money from the government and continue kind of like build up my dream. So I moved to Moscow and they continue to do what I get to do. And then Moscow opened up more doors for me because I was volunteering like the same time for the, you know, government thing. I was believing in the government, whatever, be pat patriotic towards these [00:15:00] things I get to do because I believe if, because I didn’t have parents, I didn’t have anyone around.

I believe that the party will help me. And being youth, you know, leader leader of the youth of this, one of the Russian parties there, I realized it’s opened up more doors for me. When I finish the university. It’s going to be easy for me to get a job. And actually I got a job, like a summer job as engineer in Russia.

And but what happened is, is like I apply for Norway because I, I started to meet a lot of friends who wants to move to America for the work, travel, like this work, travel, visa, whatever, move to America. And I didn’t want to move to America. I was like, I don’t, I wanna have this experience, international experience too, because I believe like it’s opened up more doors for me to have that experience.

And eventually I got into the Norway. I, I, I, I got like a scholarship in Norway, and what happened is my friend that time was telling me, Aisha, you shouldn’t leave. You should stay here in [00:16:00] Moscow. We don’t want you to leave. And my leader that, you know, from the party was say like, it’s better for you to stay here.

Don’t go to Norway. I said, like, I just wanna have this experience. I said, I just, one year it’s not a big deal. I will come back, you know, maybe in six months I already come back. And I didn’t. I stayed, I stayed one year later I got a job as engineer, as engineer in Norway. I was studying, working, being again leader of the youth in Red Cross.

And again, going to all different forms in Norwegian language. I was like crazy learning Norwegian language because I, I, before moving to Norway, I spent maybe one month, about a month to learn English. But when I moved to Norway, I realized my, my English skills that I learned that month. Was nothing. I couldn’t understand anything.

So I always working with vocabulary at that time dictionary. And I was trying to communicate with everyone in English, because in Norway everyone speak English. And for me it helps a little bit. And the [00:17:00] same time, four months later, I said to myself, I cannot go here and like, just speak English, or two months later I get to learn Norwegian.

So I went to the Norwegian school, like learning Norwegian classes in the evenings, in the, during the day I was studying English. During the night. I study Norwegian. And I was like consistently learning. I was selling pizza. I, I did like a pizza deliveries. I was like hustling around because I got to kind of like, make this extra money I want because I wanna travel around Europe.

And you know, eventually I got a boyfriend, Norwegian boyfriend. So it’s like many things happening in the same time. I was like a hyper active. And some naturally, six months later I become a leader of the use of Red Cross. And like, save of Children was, you know, like I just said yes, yes, yes to everything.

And I remember my first burnout happened, like when I was 23, and I was like, oh my gosh, I’m taking all this responsibility all these years. I’m just like caring, caring, [00:18:00] caring, all of this. I’m having so much fun, but I don’t have time for myself, you know, I’m still living my dreams. I’m doing these things like you know, I achieve all the, I I I travel all the places I wanna travel in my, like when I was 20 years old, I remember.

I was staying, it was between 2020, I think, to 21. I remember I’m staying in the Times Square in New York spending the new year there at the Rooftop restaurant. And I’m, I’m, I’m staying there in the balcony. And I was like, I’m a winner. I’m a winner. Oh, my dreams is real. And when I was 17 or 16, I was think it takes me all life to achieve what I achieve in just few years, three years of that time to be on top of the world.

And I’m feeling like I’m like on top of the world, I’m a winner. You know, for me it was like a pivot moment that I realizing that all my dreams is real. And I was like, what’s next? That’s why I took a job as [00:19:00] engineer. You know, I started to work and like did more other things and eventually I said to myself, I wanna be an actress one day because I was not happy.

I was doing something that was not. Like what I wanna do, I did it because that’s what community needs. So like a government needs, so like a country needs, you know? And and, and I said, look, okay, I’m going to try to be an actress. All my friends that time telling me like, you crazy, just study here in Norway.

Why do you need to go to la? And I said, if I’m gonna be an actress, I’m going to be an actress in la. And that’s what I did. And I was staying came to la I was doing a lot of networking, going to this whole background jobs and was just consistently moving, moving, moving, like living in a car most of the time.

And I couldn’t. I was so tired after like three months. It was so expensive. La it’s super expensive. I got very scary because all my savings is just going like so [00:20:00] fast that I made, you know, and I’m feeling like, oh my gosh, if I’m going to live here in in LA all my savings is just enough for three, five months.

And what I’m going to do, it’s if I still don’t make enough. And you get to make so much money in LA to kind of like have, like going through, you know, you get at least like make three or $4,000 minimum. Minimum that time, you know, to kind of like get through the months. And for me, I was, yeah. And

David Pasqualone: this was what, early two thousands, right?

Aisha Makara: Yes, exactly.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. So you can pretty much double that now. I mean, if you were making 7,000 a month out there, you’re probably on welfare. It’s so expensive.

Aisha Makara: Expensive, so expensive. And for me it was like, oh my gosh, how I’m going to survive? And of course of the people around me, oh, you immigrant, your English skills, this is this, this is your path.

It’d be a super prestitute. You know? And like, and I’m like, it’s some other path for sure. You, you don’t need to go. Like, I have my background, I’m an engineer, you know, [00:21:00] I cannot like, allow myself to go to like, whatever people say, say to me, it’s not my path, you know? And it’s like, I’ve been kind of like this rebellious one.

I’m like, okay, I’m going back to Norway. I got very scary even so my passport up and up, I getting better jobs, you know, like background jobs. And I was like already getting my agent and go to the English school, started to do like classes, like acting classes and stuff. So like I work, I was working up.

Slowly. That was so scary because it was so expensive, and I’m feeling so lonely that first time in my life. I realizing I’m like super lonely. Like if I’m going to live in in in America or like Los Angeles is very lonely past to be an actress. And that’s, I was like, I don’t wanna be lonely. I, I was kind of like, got scary at that moment of my life with loneliness.

And I felt the first time in my life, this loneliness inside of me. And I didn’t want, I didn’t [00:22:00] want to do that. And I was like, I still wanna experience the real love in my life. The real, like, I don’t wanna be super superficial, you know, I wanna really like, feel my heart, live with my heart and I wanna like, continue to live with my heart.

And so I went back to Norway and I got my job back just in a different department and continued to work again for like that time for like nine months. And but I was not happy and I was always like, kind of like feeling like I’m not happy, so I get myself. Feeling happy and I was asking myself how I’m going to feel happy because like in nor always like this, everyone that just consuming, consuming, consuming, getting like it’s the same as in America, getting bigger house, getting kids, getting this better car, you know, like storage, storage, more stuff.

I didn’t want to be one of them because I was one of them as well. Like I had a nice boyfriend, he’s the best doctor in the world, you know, I had amazing life in Norway and so for me, he loves me very much. You know, I’m, [00:23:00] I’m actually like very set, settled, you know, I’m like everything. I, we’re working as engineer, everyone looking up to us like we are amazing couple, we’re doing like amazing thing.

We’re just traveling all the time when we have a free time. But I was not happy. I was feeling empty inside of me. And even so I’ve had that experience and he support me in my experience to be an actress, but he was not like super supportive. He’s always showing me this like, oh, it’s not easy. It’s not going to be easy.

I’m here for you. But in the same time, it’s better to be Norway, Norway’s, way better to live. And

David Pasqualone: he didn’t want you to go.

Aisha Makara: Yes, he didn’t want me. But anyway, I realized that later in my life, at that time, when you, in your early twenties, you don’t know so much. You know about what’s happening, what’s like, how life is working.

It’s like you are very like innocent in many ways. You have your, like this dreams that you believe in, like this, anything is possible. And at this, I still believe anything is possible. What happened is, is like. [00:24:00] Continue to do what I was doing and observing things. What makes me happy is just like buying more stuff or like do more travelings and it’s not, it doesn’t make it, it didn’t make me feel full inside.

So I went in my spiritual journey that time, first time in my life, I went on a spiritual journey. So I did the Camina de Santiago because my author that time was Capal Lio and the Alchemist, the book is Alchemist. I was like, okay, I’m going Paulo Lio did this this journey, this path. So I will do that too.

So I did exactly the same as I did. I even stay in his Alberta, like his hostel that’s in Spain with all his books and all his fancy there, you know, like whatever. I was one of them. For me, like it was so inspirational because. I said, I cannot live in Norway anymore. I get to move somewhere and America’s too expensive for me.

I do, I don’t feel like I wanna be there right now. So I moved to slowly, I discovered [00:25:00] Portugal, of course. I continued the backpacking traveling after that. And I discovered Portugal. And I’m like, when I stay in Lisbon, I was like, oh my gosh, this is country that way. I wanna live, this is where my heart is.

I just felt it like instantly. So three months later, I think it was like three, five months later, I moved to, to Portugal, to Lisbon. And again, like I started to work in real estate. I get my real estate license. I like, I started to do all the things. This just started, port Portugal just started to be like a more, more or less international tour.

Started to come to to Portugal because, portugal was not so popular. Nobody knows about Portugal. Even me, I didn’t know anything about Portugal. I was just discovering through my Camino de Santiago tour. And it was very interesting because when I when I started to live here, it was amazing.

My life was like, great, you know, three months later, living here, I started to receive keys from different people. [00:26:00] Say like, oh, manage my apartment, manage my my place, manage my mansion, manage. Like, so I end up six months later managing like many properties, like some properties. I get to do a renovation.

And after like I end up in the relationship, you know, again. And it’s like too much, too many, many things happen. And that, and I started again, do something that people wanted, but not me. I want to do that. I enjoy doing it. I enjoy to be in a luxury race and, you know, wearing beautiful dresses and high heels and makeup.

And I enjoy to be a woman because when I was living in Norway, I didn’t feel woman. We are so equal. And I’ve been working in a very male dominant environment. So I didn’t even like consider myself as a woman. You know, I was like, I got to be like very strong and, you know, working in exactly the same way like man does.

So here I become a business woman. So even so again, to being [00:27:00] businesswoman, I’m still in a very male, macho, dominant environment, especially here in Portugal, Spain. It’s very macho and it’s not easy to, to be a businesswoman. So I learned a lot, of course, that I’m experienced, also learned a lot of things about myself first by observing, you know, being open again, expressed by voice that’s actually been, again, like punished in some ways, you know?

And I’m feeling like, oh my gosh, why one woman expressing her truth, expressing her, like, you know, like bringing this attitude kind of like more masculine and people, like a special man doesn’t, some man reacting like, oh, she’s amazing, you know, I wanna own her, or I wanna fight with her. You know, it’s kind of like, it’s different attitudes.

I meet in the male, like through the male world. One, one wants to own you and working towards a strategy, how to get you another one that just fighting you. The one that kind of like destroy you. And [00:28:00] that’s kind of like I started to realize it’s not outside world, it’s within me. That’s what I’m like. I have this masculine in me, so strong.

That’s because I get to survive for so long in my, like through my childhood, take that attention, you know, from the adults. I didn’t receive any love or any kind of like, like I didn’t understand, you know, because you are living in a world where you get to survive. Asking for attention from the adults, that not enough, that adults sharing your attention, this attention between.

30 kids and you are one of them. So it’s not like easy to even to get that attention and you get to kind of like that attention from my side was just to punish me, you know, on some different like very, very painful ways. Like that’s how I could get attention from everyone because like the kids were scary looking at it and they didn’t want have what the adults was giving to me.

[00:29:00] And at least in that way, everyone giving me attention, you know, like some of them was scary. What they see, the way they, the adults was treating me, the adults was giving me attention because of the, what they wanna show. The other kids don’t do what I was doing. So for me it wasn’t. And you

David Pasqualone: went, you went culturally from Russia.

To Norway, to America, back to Norway, and now you’re in Portugal. So those are five very distinct cultures on top of it, correct?

Aisha Makara: Very different. Yes. Super different. Yeah. I love Norway because that’s what I discover about my strengths as a woman. I also discovered that I get to go through the therapy, you know, because when I was a teenager, when I was very young, I also had a suicidal, you know, like attitude.

And because of my, like also had so many things that’s happening, you know, like I was up and downs very strong. And now we help [00:30:00] me a lot to like. To kind of balance it up and weed that time, my first time in my life I tried cannabis. I was in one of the student events there, or like a parties and the, one of the girls, she said to me, oh, I have the same issue.

Like, you know, this suicidal thoughts and the weed helps me. So I started to smoke weed the first time in my life. I smoked like about two months. I remember. And my boyfriend, he’s a doctor, I remember he was showing me all these videos, what’s happening with the brain if you’re smoking weed? And, and I said to him, listen, it helps me.

And after that, I never have a thought, like suicidal thought to do something to myself. And so it helps me. So I went, I was open more towards the therapy and I went through the therapy. You know, like I’m, I work a lot. Myself to kind of like understand why I’m like this, this way, you know, what’s happening, what’s, you know, what I wanna create, how I wanna do this.

So what I learned, because you grew up [00:31:00] without parents, love, without any kind of like structure. You have structure, but it’s more like a military style, you know, like in orphans it’s more like a military style. Nobody, you get to like, make you bad. It doesn’t matter. You are like little or grow up, it doesn’t matter.

You get to learn how to take care of yourself in very, very early age. You get to be very like no emotions, nothing very like soldier. And it’s like they, they raising the soldiers. You don’t raise the humans. And and it’s like we are humans. We’re little humans that we also need love and attention and reward and support and, you know, like kind of like rewarding or lifting up towards the dreams.

And nobody does it. No. Like the adults around us doesn’t have capability to do that. Capacity. So I learned of course, about that later. And nowadays when I understand a little bit better idea of what this healthy relationship is even. So I don’t know, because I didn’t experience [00:32:00] in my childhood, I’m kind of like using imaginary different, like, you know, through the books, through the like watching some YouTube videos, like understanding through the action what other people think is right, whether this healthy relationship, how to build healthy relationship, how to communicate in a healthy way, how to like, be more flexible and don’t get upset or disappointed or attached or something like that.

So you like or don’t take things personally. So everything I learned through the books and through the different like movies or you, the videos, so whatever. So I kind of like. Took it serious even so I don’t feel it, I still do it through the, you know, through my own practices and doing my best to like, care about that.

Started to care about myself as a human being and care about my value in the world. So it took, it took me some time to kind of like really learn how [00:33:00] to do it. Like, like really care myself in that way that I matter while I’m here. Everything what I do, it matters. This is how I started to create more like different things.

That’s how I started to be an artist, because I’m very creative all the time. I’m organizing events, I’m organizing dinners, I’m organizing so many amazing things all the time. So for me it’s like, it’s normal, it’s natural. I’m a, I learn also, I’m a natural leader. I’m a natural teacher. I’m like, for me, it’s so natural when I’m in my own kind of like bubble and I learn how to be in my own bubble and create my own kind of like this, how so I a home around, like within me or like I centered myself and with my boundaries, communicating my boundaries very clearly. And don’t be, don’t rush, like be more patient. Patience was one of my challenges in my reality because I, I’m not patient, I was not patient enough to kind of like understand the relationship.

Everyone get to have their own [00:34:00] kind of time, timing to process things. I just started to practice last year. I learned that some people use more time than others because like if you have a conflict or difficult conversation, so some people needs a day or two, some people needs like a week, some people needs months to process that, to again, to have conversation with you and be friends with you again.

Sometimes you don’t need years, you know, so. So everything is just so interesting when you started to kind of like zoom in and zoom out, check in with yourself, and like, kind of like doing every time like, okay, what’s happening? What I feel, you know, you, because all our life is happening within us in our body.

All the emotions is, everything is happening through our mind and through our emotions. So we get to learn how to be healthy and loving and feeling safe within ourself to be who we really want to be, [00:35:00] to express our truth, what we have in our heart. And and it’s not easy because we get scary. We are using a scarcity mindset instead to thrive.

That’s also I transform surviving to towards thriving. I, I used to say to the people, we’re here to thrive. We don’t need anymore to survive. We get to learn how to thrive together now, not killing each other. How to collaborate with each other, how to create, win-win. This is what I learned in Norway.

Everyone there is a winner, you know, in the childhood or like through the school or daycare. They’re already teaching kids how to be winners, how to collaborate with each other, how to help, how to support each other, because we all have a different struggles and we are here to kind of like combine and you know, kind of like helping each other to don’t feel that struggle.

You know, like it’s like I have my strengths. You have your strengths. How we combine our [00:36:00] strengths and be more stronger together. And how I can, you know, every time when I was working as, every time I had idea when I was an engineer, my boss would say like, okay, go and take it. You have this engineer, take it to the next.

So that’s why I was promoted every six months and I was like, okay, one day I’m going to be on top of this chain or whatever. This year he, what’s next to me, I don’t know, but I’ll have so much responsibilities to care and that I don’t have any time for my own, what I wanna create in my life. Because I was looking at my boss, he has like a three kids, amazing family, and you know, he has organizing like a dinners.

All collective, like maybe once a month or maybe one in three months. And his wife was like they were renting this big house, so like it was not big rented, but there was like a guest house for everyone in the community. And and he was playing different instruments and he had a lot of fun.

And he was older three, he was like in his late fifties. And I remember we had this conversation [00:37:00] together and he said, you know, in life you get to balance it up. Everything, like the good, the bad, the ugly, and the most important. You get to balance up yourself up to understand what matters for you. It’s good to serve to the community, but also understand what community you wanna serve and why.

And also understand like why you are there and how long you wanna serve. It’s also to you, up to you, it’s like every single life is optional. Even you wanna be in the community or don’t you wanna be part of someone life or not? It’s a choice. And that’s what I also, also, in Norway, everything is a choice because in Russia it’s completely different.

Everyone is like going through the, like the survival mechanism. And in Norway it’s the opposite. They’re like priorities and what matters. If I, for example, I book a flight today to visit my family and the flight costs $2,000. [00:38:00] Makes sense for me to go and see my, my mom, my dad, to like this weekend and spend this $2,000, or I’m going to spend $200 or $500 and visit them in, in a month.

Because flight tickets is much cheaper. For example, like, so I started to learn in my early age, thanks God, I have amazing teachers around me who would teach me about the priorities, what matters for me in the first place, why I’m doing this, you know, why I am moving, like the thing and spending on this and that.

So choices is very important and nowadays I’m learning what’s happening in the world. We don’t know what to choose. We are getting confused. We got lost because we have so many choices. And that’s the, the, the one of the struggles of our time that we don’t know what we want. What life we wanna live. Some people like lost in the party.

Some people lost in the drugs, some people lost in the, like, whatever. No. Lost, you [00:39:00] know. So for me it’s, it’s, again, it’s a choice. What we wanna create and why we do what we do. You know, the, we living in abundance right now in that we are consumers of the, of the reality that we’re living in and how you can choose or change from the consumer to the creator.

You know, how you can create more value in the world, what you can do with that time that you have while you’re here and change the reality. Or at least like, not change, but shape the reality in some ways in more positive loving and joyful way. That’s what I’m like in my book. A Joyful Living. I’m doing my best to.

Explain people that each experience is experience and routines. We get to critique, create and switch them around. Understand what’s, you know, what serve us, what doesn’t [00:40:00] serve us, what we get to add, what we get to, you know, the opposite, clean up. So every time in life, like it said, like it’s like a circle or like we’re living in a loop, but it’s up to us to understand how we wanna, you know, switch around in, in our loop.

Because more we’re learning about what what habits we wanna have. We understand. Okay, I like right now this, I don’t like this, so it’s up to, it’s. All the time. It’s up to us. It doesn’t matter how old we are, it doesn’t matter how, what background we have, we get to just learn what we can do with the knowledge we have and how we can integrate that knowledge in our everyday life.

And do we really want to do that? If you know, for example, if I’m drinking too much, like for example, if I reduce the drinking, of course it’s not easy or smoking. It’s not easy in the beginning, but slowly you started to learn that it serve you, like your [00:41:00] longevity, your attitude, your mindset is getting more and more you getting more energy.

Because the alcohol and, you know, drugs and cigarettes, everything takes your energy. It’s like eating you up inside. It’s okay to do that, but the point is, is like what I’m learning and experiencing when I’m pure and, you know, doing my mantra or chanting or meditation or yoga, whatever I decided to do, it’s lift my spirit up.

And it’s, I’m feeling more, you know, like too up sometimes. So you get to balance it up because you’re still living in the reality where people still killing each other. We’re still living in the reality where we’re killing each other even. So it’s not in our, like, in our reality, but it’s still there.

We still can hear about that. See it. So what I’m doing, I’m like, how I can reduce it within myself, how I can be [00:42:00] more in peace within myself, how I can work, because I’m responsible for everything. What’s happening around in the world. I’m a part of this all collective that’s happening around me. So like how I can be better, how I can reduce, I don’t know when it’s going to be less like these things because people will still fight for the power.

People still be people and it’s okay because what I learned through my engineering experience. Being in a project and you know, building road tunnel and bridges. We have a human factor. Yes, we have our standards and stuff and everything that we get to following up and we have a human factor that we also get to face.

Why? Each year, for example, we had this each issue, why each year we have different amount of people who is dying on the road. Some years more people, some years less people, some, you know, we even had like almost to zero, we [00:43:00] have this project like zero. If we can reduce the death in the road to zero, what’s, what solution we get to bring, you know, we have a reflex.

We had like different things. We were like paying attention. We did a lot of workshops and so on in schools and you know, in the different workplaces. The point is, is like how we can reduce, we get the step within ourself. Being peace within ourself. Ask your loved ones how I can be better and support how I can support you better.

What you, you know, how I can be more playing scene with you, how I can be more loving. Asking that, that question to your loved ones around you. How can be better lover or father, mother, you know, brother, sister, asking yourself this question. You started to kind of like realizing what it’s coming from me, what I wanna see in the world.

I get to do that to my to other people first and don’t have any expectations [00:44:00] at all. Like, oh, I get to get it back from the same source. No, you get to give because you want to give and don’t have any like ideas. Getting it back that what I’m also learning through my time, I used to say that the people, if you decided to go together, you equal.

It doesn’t matter your background. It doesn’t matter where you come from. It doesn’t matter which language you speak. Now you are working together. Maybe you have like the, your most richest person in the world. Maybe you went to the best schools in the world. Now you working with someone who doesn’t have any of this, and you choose and some days or maybe weeks you’re working together.

You are working together. You are working together. You have conversation to share. So I believe we all, one, we’re living in one reality. We’re living on the planet Earth and more we collectively evolve. You know, the [00:45:00] evolution that’s happening more. We are collectively creating this oneness and understanding we are responsible of what’s happening around us in the world.

We can create more peace within ourself and still like, okay, I’m responsible. How I can work on my peace within myself, because what’s happening is also happening within me. I’m the universe, I’m the ev, you know, I’m the reflection of everything around me. I’m proj like, that’s the reality I’m living in.

You know, it’s a mirror of us collectively who we really are. And that’s the reality. I wanna switch, not switch, but shape a little bit on a different direction while I’m here with my presence with my actions. And it takes time because I’m a human. I’m getting also angry. I’m getting upset. Disa disappointed and I’m working on that.

I ask myself why I feel it. What [00:46:00] is in my field, I get to like work on within myself. So that’s what I’m starting to kind of like using the mirror effect and different you know, methods that I’m practicing through the, my own kind of like practices that I’m by learning and reading. I love to read.

So like every time I’m learning something new, I’m doing my best to integrate it in, in reality. So I see how it works in reality and it does work very well actually. The thing is, is not so many of us want to integrate things and ground them. From my perspective, what I’m learning, it’s completely different.

When you’re in your twenties and when you’re in your thirties and when you’re in your forties or fifties, you know the integration process is very different. The point is, is that how we ground ourself, what ground rules are important for us? What principles are [00:47:00] important for us, what values we wanna create through our actions is everything matters.

That’s why we’re shaping our like reality or shaping our bubble because of our boundaries. What we practicing our boundaries and it’s shaping us. It’s shaping our us as a humans who we really are and not so many of us can, can even think about that. Even though think about that, they don’t come to this level of awareness to ask these questions.

I mean, for me, it’s the simple questions. I love questions. I always, I’m journaling all my life since I started to read and write. So for me, like I’m best friend of my reality, I’m my best friend because I’m living with myself all my life, so I’m my best friend. So I get to ask myself, is this something has resonate with me?

If someone giving me advice or feedback, if not, you know, I’m, I’m just saying thank [00:48:00] you and I’m, you know, I’m living my life. I don’t, I don’t get attached to that or saying, oh, this is probably something will work. I don’t know. But it’s, it’s everything as I, I I, I used to say optional. Absolutely. Now with all the choices that we have.

The way we wanna shape ourself again, it’s up to us. Just be aware and take responsibility over the actions that you can. Don’t blame anyone. Nobody is here to be blamed. Don’t blame yourself either because we all humans, we learning through the experience of our life, you don’t know. And we are making sure that we know everything.

We don’t know anything. The reality or like the, even the quantum field, we still dunno the way the quantum field works and the things this is like nowadays Chopra or they, they talking about like how we can change our reality [00:49:00] without thoughts. And it’s possible that it’s all about intention and consistently, you know, moving towards, towards that was positive attitude.

You know, it’s all about. Figuring out a balance that is within, because we have everything, the good, the bad, the ugly, how we can actually balance it up. That would ma that the question I’m asking myself, how I can balance it up, all of it. And don’t be judgmental about that being peace and love, because it’s all me as well.

And that’s the not easy question because I’m still have issue with judgment. And that’s I’m working on and I’m figuring out how to be way more flexible and loving and joyful and caring and more gentle because more I’m gentle with other people, more. I’m gentle within myself, with myself and more. I’m [00:50:00] kind towards other people.

I’m more kind towards myself and the same time I’m feeling by me treating other people, maybe they don’t see it. Right now, maybe they don’t have awareness of my kindness. The things is I trust that one day they will remember me and say like, oh, I remember Aisha. She said to me, these like 10 years ago, whatever I trust to put in the seats, in people minds.

And you never know when it’s going to grow that seed to something more beautiful and magical. I don’t know, but I trust one conversation can change human life.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. No, I, I agree. And when you were talking about how the more we learn, the less we know. Like the more we learn truly when we’re growing, the more we realize how little we know and how infinite the universe is in God is.

[00:51:00] So, I totally, totally track with you. Going back, you have such a unique. I don’t wanna say background, character, personality, but how all your circumstances combine to create you who you are today is super interesting to me because you’re an artist and you’re an engineer and those are usually total polar opposites.

So when you have a mindset of an engineer, it’s usually one plus one is two. It’s very systematic, non-emotional. And then when you’re an artist, it’s like a bowl of spaghetti. Everything intertwines and emotions are running the show. So I really want to go back to the creating a win-win. You know, you said you started learning that concept in Norway, but what are some steps you’re, you’re in an interpersonal relationship, whether it’s at work or your personal life, and you’re trying to create [00:52:00] a win-win.

What are some steps you’d recommend to our listeners that worked for you, that might work for us?

Aisha Makara: My, my from that experience, what I learned being engineer, I’ve been very creative. I, I always do art on a side and I also like, kind of like learn how to balance it up. And I sometimes I’m like thinking about my twenties, I was like, I would, I’ve been emotional as well, like up now general, I was very balanced it up.

Like if I look at my twenties, I was like doing all these amazing things. What ha what I recommend about win-win is always asking questions how I can be better in service, how I can be better in service to myself and to others. What I can improve, like for example, when you have a conflict, understand what’s come from, why you have this conflict, why you know it’s happening.

Be neutral in that moment, not like. Letting yourself, the emotions going, going through you, and have that conversation right away. [00:53:00] Give yourself time to process your why and come back and have a conversation. If that person still need the time to process their emotions and their why, give them that time.

It doesn’t matter if you’re in a work environment or in your, like a romantic relationship. It’s always giving each other space to process things that you get to process and giving each other the space to, to explore In a work environment, you understand that we have a human factor, for example, like if you have a conflict in the workplace, understand how to resolve that conflict.

It’s like who you can like communicate it with and who you cannot communicate it with to kind of like resolve the situation inside in your inside of your work environment because. It’s important, it’s important to resolve it and move forward because when you, especially when you’re working in a team as fast as you’re moving [00:54:00] forward with the conflict and started to move things around, it’s easy, it is to to, to raise the vibration, like, be better because we are all winners.

How I can help other person to win, to be here with me in a team, continue to play team with me, what I can do as a leader, because we’re all leaders and that’s, you get to turn on, on your leader in that moment to be who you want, you know, other person to be because it’s, everything is a mirror. I get to be someone right now to clarify some things and get clarity in other things by communicating my truth and the same time being patient with other human being who’s next to me.

Maybe that person in that moment needs more time than I do. At the same time, not pushing, not like, you know, being harsh or like continue to kind of being so attacking. Instead, step back, [00:55:00] observe stop, observe and let it go. But give, give yourself permission to be like a, to be better human being.

Because what happening was, who is, it’s not about to be bad, like better. I’m not better than anyone else, but the things is, in this moment, I’m better towards myself. I’m not escalating this conflict because I, I have awareness. If I will continue escalating this conflict, it’ll lead me downs spiral, and I wanna go UPS spiral.

You know, I wanna go towards abundance and joy that I wanna create in the world by going down, down s spiral. I’m working towards misery and disappointing and sadness, and I don’t wanna go towards that s per because. Everything is I would say everything has a both, you know, like even our mind has a, like a negative and positive because like our ego has both as well.

Like it depends which ego we’re [00:56:00] using in the moment. If we are using the positive one, it’ll lead us to the positive direction. If we’re using the negative, it’ll lead us to the negative. If we’re balancing up, we’re using the neutral one. So we are not attached either. Oh, you know, we are, we are, we are open to absolutely all of us.

So we allowed universe to work with that. With us. We allowed universe to collaborate for the best possible way. With us, we are not controlled, we’re not fixed, and that’s what’s happening in all the environments. People get so fixed the way they get to be treated or respected or. Because of the programs, when people getting off the program or the patterns and understand that they’re just in a pattern and they’re the human being right now next to me, come completely, come from completely different background, completely different reality than I am.

So I get to be open enough to learn [00:57:00] why, why we have this conflict. It’s a culture conflict. It’s like language barrier. What’s why, you know, we have this misunderstanding and collapse. Why? You know, like deeper we go in our why, we learning how to be way more flexible within ourself. Don’t be attached to anything like that’s happening outside, because what do we get to work on just inside of ourself and be way more flexible, loving, caring, joyful.

Within ourself and practice just that, whether it is to be a joyful human, whether it is to be a caring human, whether it is to be kind human, whether it is to be a loving human. So you’re not anymore separating yourself, oh, I’m a woman. I get to be treated like that or like this. I’m a man, you know? No, you are looking at yourself as a human.

That’s, we create, [00:58:00] that’s why we created human rights. Maybe some of the, some of us get to read again, the human rights to understand whether it is to be human. Everyone is different. In Norway, the learning about human rights at schools, they learning whether to have a kid’s rights at school. So like kids has their rights.

Like we, adults have our human rights. So ev like we, it’s every single one. These things is how we understand. Our rights and how we communicated with each other.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And going, oh, say that again. I didn’t mean to cut you off. There was a delay.

Aisha Makara: We peace with that.

David Pasqualone: Yes. And going culture to culture. Human rights is a various interpretation. People in one country may think X is a right and in another country they’re like, no, that’s a privilege or benefit. [00:59:00] So there’s some variation, but there’s that core, like you’re discussing humans.

Every human needs to feel loved and they want to feel special, and they want to feel needed and have a purpose. But God is love. And for all of us, we all need love. And to share that with one another and that understanding and the patience, that’s super important. So, all right, so between your birth and where you are today.

Is there anything we missed in your story, Aisha, before we continue to where you are today and where you’re heading next?

Aisha Makara: Well, I feel what’s, you know, the, when I look at my life, it’s always going up and up and up and up. Yes, of course, I had like a, this de measure, also pivot moment in my life when 2022, I, you know, I was living in a van.

I was a hippie. Hippie. All my friends was like so disappointed of me around [01:00:00] me. Around that time of my life I become so hippie. I was living in the van, I was selling my art from the van. I went, I went from the festival to the festival and I were just smoking weed all day long. And I was just feeling like I don’t eat so much.

If I need money, I just go and get like a fruits in one of the farms and I’m just reselling the fruits in the, in the city. If I wanna like sell my art, I just go into the beach in different events and just bringing my artworks and I’m just selling it there. And you know, like that time I was doing a lot of prints.

I remember it was so easy for me to make money and that amount of the money for the months, for two months, for three months, I already knew how much money, roughly, I’m, that’s what kind of my engineering mindset. I knew how much money I’m spending a month roughly. So I can, I knew that if I make that money in two days for three, I’m fine for like a whole month.

And if I wanna make money for like a next two, [01:01:00] three months, so I get to work like whole week or maybe 10 days to like, make that money for the next two, three months. So for me, it’s, I every time I learn it through my hitchhiking time, you know, I learn it how much money need to make through the year because I’m going to travel for two months or three months.

I get to talk to the teachers to say to them like, listen, I’m going to travel right now for two, three months. Can I do the exams right now or do I need to take exams when I come back to the to my, to the school again, the university again. So every time I get to maintain all of that, and I feel like.

When I become the hippy hippy, it’s I already knew how I’m going to organize my life around, you know, and that what happened. My, my event was broken in, everything was stolen, all my documents, all my life, all of it was completely gone in a, in a day, right? And I, and I was like, oh my gosh, what I got to do?

So I was there alone with no, you know, phones, nothing. And I get to be getting out my next move. This is [01:02:00] when I actually accepted to live in the communities, you know? And I kind of like started to make money. I still like was going to the festival, at the festival, but like I was not having my van or having money.

I got every time figuring out how to be with people. And that’s the first time because I was so independent in my own for all these years. And here I am, I got to work and collaborate with other people and be in a community. And the funny things, I like to share things, you know, I like to speak in the beginning, but after I just like to do things, you know, I like action, action, action.

So what happened is after I think like a less a week in the community, everyone’s sitting on the table, we’re having breakfast and just people sharing and sharing and sharing. And it’s like hours of sharing whatever they get to share every single day. And I remember after like four days or three days, I got so tired of it.

I was like, oh my gosh. Every day I get to share so much. [01:03:00] I’m already like, kinda like, oh, like tired of it. So I just went to the garden, I was just started clean up everything, kitchen, whatever, organizing and doing, you know, doing work that I think would be right. Things to do, you know, like washing, cleaning, cooking, doing whatever I get to do.

And gardening. Few weeks later, they said to me, oh, now you are the let’s do your leader of the, of the, of the community. You’re going to be leader of the community. And I said, guys, I love you, but I’m here temporarily. I’m not the right person to be leader because I’m okay. I’m here. You know, just work because I’m temporary here.

I wanna fix my documents and I’m out to Europe. I’m, I’m not going to stay here. I was very clear about that. I need to just go through and that’s it. But people know you get to be the leader. We are like you amazing. You like, you just, you know, doing the things, what you’re saying, it’s very [01:04:00] good, you know?

No, no, no. And I remember I said like, no, I don’t want to do it. I don’t want to take this responsibility right now because I’m not going to stay here. That I was like, thinking as literal. You get to stay and lead for like a while. And my, my idea was not about that. I just wanna do things, go through. Just move to the next, whatever the next is for me right now.

That was also very funny moment where I learned every time I’m in the community like, or doing things with other people, I even notice how like my natural leadership skills is coming in and I just like, here you are again. Become a stay, stay in the top and say like, okay, now you’re lead leading others.

And, and I’m like, okay, how I can, you know, why I am here, why I’m doing it, but I get to accept that that’s what I’m learning right now. I get to just accept this role that I’m playing and it’s kind of like univers of God, show me like consistently about [01:05:00] that. Especially when I’m with people and now I don’t wanna insulate myself.

I get to like be part of this community and more I’m like learning that I’m a part of the community that I’m calling humanity. I, I’m learning how to be, true leader towards myself and towards what I’m creating. You know, because while I’m here, I matter. My presence matter in the world. So I decided, okay, I cannot because I’m an artist.

Like, you know how as an artist you have, as you said, we are going emotion, how I can establish how I can make my emotions more stable, how I can make my nerve system more stable so I don’t go up and down so strong that I will be consistent. And this year was amazing and last year I started to, it was like this because every year, since six years, I think already, or seven years, I do intentions of my like intentions of the year, intentions of the months, [01:06:00] intentions of the week, intention of the day.

So for me, the intentions is in my book J Living guidebook. I am inviting people to create intentions. When you’re creating intentions and you have some pivot moments or emotional moments, you are going towards this word, this intentional word of your, of your year and say, okay, my, this year of my, of my life, it’s success.

So I get to be in that success mindset. I cannot allow myself to go down because some damage happened, or like a day not good, or week, not good. No, I’m like, I’m successful. I’m staying in my success. You know, I’m intentional about that. So I’m going through like, you know, I’m, I’m doing, I don’t push myself too down.

I’m staying there in this high mindset and continue to stay there because I choose to, and you know, like more, I’m staying there. I’m, I’m connecting with the people who can stay in that mindset too, and we can [01:07:00] communicate. Simple. Simple. Very simple because it’s just like consistent action. When we say we are there, we are there when we say that I can do it, I can do it.

I’m just there doing it. So it’s all about figuring out how to stay in that mindset all the time and intentionally, and even so you cannot get outta the bed. It’s okay, but still be in that mindset. Even you’re going through some tough day or whatever, be in that mindset. Like allow yourself, yourself to stay in that mindset.

And that’s not easy. The fact, the point is choose to be there because it’s a choice.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and I think that’s so true. I don’t think there’s any human on the planet that will always be in the right mindset. Some people will have a more stable [01:08:00] existence, but for most humans there’s ups and downs. So the key isn’t always having the right mindset like a robot, but it’s how to identify, accept where you’re at, and then pull yourself out.

So what are the things that help you stabilize and pull yourself out when the wrong mindset comes in?

Aisha Makara: You know, I feel it’s okay to be in this mindset as well. Like I’m just, you know, allowed myself to be, sometimes I allowed myself to be there to learn from that because I understand where they come from, why I have the disappointment right now, why I am upset right now.

What’s happening, what’s the patterns? I get to switch that. I don’t have it anymore. So I get to be flexible inside of my mind and know how to zoom in and zoom out, how to check in with myself and nobody. Allowed us to have this [01:09:00] emotions, nobody outside. It’s like the triggers that we have from outside world, the triggers we have within ourself when we work through all the triggers that we have and nothing outside of the world anymore, will affect us our reality because we can be in that consistent flow of happiness or consistent flow of joy, and it’s up to us to stay there in that mindset.

Because I, in this moments when I have a little bit of sad moments or whatever, I feel like it’s great to have them because I used to appreciate these moments too. So I use appreciation and gratitude that I’m still here. I’m still enjoying, I’m still living my dream. I’m living in the best countries in the world.

You know, I’m, you know, I’m doing what I love. So like, I’m. I think the gratitude when I have this moment. So I’m like I’m working with a gratitude a lot. Like, be grateful for these things. What I have [01:10:00] grateful, what I have, grateful what I’m creating, grateful for all of it, for life general as well.

And I’m feeling like gratitude is the foundation of everything that we do. When we practicing gratitude, our life become more stable, you know, more like, kind of like well-rounded because of the gratitude, because we, we really practicing gratitude from our heart, from our core. And that’s, you know, the foundation of everything that’s coming after that, you know, the joy, the, the peace and all like the abundance because we are grateful that we are here.

We are grateful what we are created. We’re grateful to have what we have. We, we are like in this, like, I’m enough. I’m more than enough and I’m creating better and better because I committed to create a joy in the world. I’m here to create more joy in the world, so I get to embody the joy within [01:11:00] me and by embodying joy within me and consistently go towards that day by day, month by month, you be that.

That’s why intentions also very important, more intentional each day. It’s creating the reality that we wanna live, that dream life, that movie, the fairytale, that venture that we are here to, to leave because it’s no limits. It’s like. Infinity, how much we can create in this lifetime. And more, we are focusing towards that infinite abundance from the, from the universe, from the God.

More is coming our way and less we attach towards what we give to the world. Just like I’m giving because I can, because I want, that’s it. I’m not expecting anything back because I’m enough. I’m more than enough. I’m already full of [01:12:00] all this joy. So I can just share more hugs, more conversations, more love with other, with others, because I have, I’m enough.

I’m more than enough. That’s kind of like coming from the place of full fullness or like from abundance because you have so much energy and you can share more and more energy with other people. It’s like infinite of the energy that you can share and that’s how you started to kind of like. Navigate yourself because you started to feel finity in infinite.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And we need to give from the overflow, and we can only give what we have if we don’t have 10 apples. I can’t give you five apples. If I don’t have joy, I can’t share that with you. Or I’m gonna exhaust myself. So I think that’s very wise advice. And it’s, it’s biblically sound. You know, we reap what we sow and then we want to give and pour out love to others.

But if we don’t have that first within ourselves, what do we [01:13:00] have to give? So, awesome Aisha, so let’s do this. Where are you today? Where are you heading next? How can we help you get to your next goal?

Aisha Makara: Well, now I am about to donate more of my art to the world. I’m already working with a few charities.

One of them is connected to the cancer research. Another one is connecting to the orphan kids. Because I’m an orphan myself. So like I wanna, you know, create more for the, or orphanages around the world. So I wanna like people pay more attention to what’s happening with orphan kids. That’s the idea of the idea what’s happening in the reality, because they don’t receive enough love and attention.

They’re going towards the criminals and, you know, short lives and die very ear early. And then how we can switch it, how we can give them that love. Because what I learned through my experience, if I would have a role model, you know, like some [01:14:00] kind of like a person or like in this case, in many kids life, it’s a father and mother.

The point is, is like when I, I’m seeing as an orphan, I would have a role model, like, kind of like a father figure or mother figure that give me that direction. What kids need is just guidance and direction because. If we let them to do something they love, it’s going to be easier to to put, for us, to create better world because we give them this opportunity to them to do what they love.

Because the, the kids generally, they don’t care if they have, parents don’t. When they’re small, they started to carry it a little bit later. When they become a teenager, when they’re feeling, be belonging, the one that feel, be belonging. So that’s when they started to like, have that switch. And after the war, that doesn’t accept them.

That’s what happened with me. My, my, my stu my colleagues, my school colleagues didn’t accept me. They didn’t want to be my friends. That’s why I went to the streets. The, the street kids was fine with that, you know, they didn’t care if I have parents or [01:15:00] don’t. But my, my schoolmates, they care, you know. So like for them I’ve been kind of like outsider, you know?

And they didn’t want to relate to that, to the outsider or like someone like in the school, it was one thing, but outside of the school, they didn’t want to be my friends. You know, so that’s, I get the face that rejecting in very early age, especially when I started to feel like, like that idea of the belonging and of course the first, what you wanna do, you wanna belong with your schoolmates, but then when they don’t wanna relate with you, you kind of like still kind of figuring out where you want to be, who you want to be relate with, or who you want, like who will accept you the way you are.

So that’s, that’s one of the things that, what I was like, one of the things I think would be right things to do for the adults nowadays to relate to that and do that, switch through the example by giving them this tools that these kids who is living in the orphan houses, they have [01:16:00] a guidance of their people that they looking up to and respect.

So they can, you know, listen to them and going towards the direction that they get to go, that they, you know, they will be better and better humans slowly.

David Pasqualone: Awesome. Now, if somebody wants to contact you, whether it’s to purchase your art, if they want to continue the conversation, if they wanna buy your book, what’s the best way to reach you?

Aisha Makara: People can find me on Aisha that today is a ISH a.today where people can find about me, about my art, my projects, my book as well. And my book is also on Amazon and all the platforms as well. It’s a joyful living guidebook. So yeah. And I have also mentorship program that’s called Joyful Living. And right now I’m developing the program for the kids as well.

And that’s actually like one in one program. I have three months, six months in 12 months program. It’s also on my website. People could also book the time with me through the, [01:17:00] through the link on my website here. I am happy to help, happy to serve in the best possible way and was best joyful way.

David Pasqualone: That’s fantastic. Well, Aisha, I know it’s been a pleasure having you here today. I know our audience has just enjoyed it as well, and we’ve all learned a lot that we can apply to our lives. And like I asked before, before we wrap up your episode, is there anything we missed in your life or any final thoughts or something you just have on your heart or your mind you want to share with our listeners around the world?

Aisha Makara: I think I just wanna add one thing, joyful Living. Thank you.

David Pasqualone: Oh, thank you ladies and gentlemen, like our slogan says Listen. Do. Repeat. For Life!. Don’t just listen to the great information that Aisha shared with us today, but do the good. You know, you have to repeat it [01:18:00] each day. Form those healthy habits, the balance, so you can have a great life in this world, but more importantly, an eternity to come.

So I’m David Pasqualone . This is our Remarkable friend, Aisha. We love you and we’ll see you in the next episode. Ciao.

Aisha Makara: Ciao.

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